tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post8549846526472877784..comments2023-05-09T17:43:00.019+02:00Comments on The City of Iron: 1st to 9th level: Spells of thread & ropeGavin Normanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12362875699031245377noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-20882188800912799892012-06-14T17:15:57.647+02:002012-06-14T17:15:57.647+02:00Hey Gavin -- can I include these spells in my new ...Hey Gavin -- can I include these spells in my new zine? Credits & links will be given, of course.Matthew Schmeerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11348372645986806502noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-83126235333611659092011-01-06T08:44:54.974+01:002011-01-06T08:44:54.974+01:00Hey Jim, I like it! I've always interpreted th...Hey Jim, I like it! I've always interpreted that rule as "if you can't understand a spell the first time you can never understand it", but your version adds a lot more flexibility plus some interesting adventure possibilities - the wizard who fails to learn <i>fireball</i> might set out on a journey to find a master to teach it to him.Gavin Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362875699031245377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-91681686201201112492011-01-05T15:30:51.099+01:002011-01-05T15:30:51.099+01:00Gavin -- that's what I mean. Wizard A's h...Gavin -- that's what I mean. Wizard A's handwriting is sooo bad that you'll have to find the notes from another wizard.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18158916950442942918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-51189350733126004502011-01-05T09:03:03.290+01:002011-01-05T09:03:03.290+01:00Yeah I guess it depends how often the DM gives out...Yeah I guess it depends how often the DM gives out spells as treasure. For example, in the Labyrinth Lord Advanced Edition Companion, the maximum spells known per level for a magic-user of Int 15 or 16 is eleven spells. (Higher Int MUs have no limit.) A maximum limit of eleven spells per level makes spell choice pretty tactical, and makes it pretty unlikely that most magic-users would bother to learn many of the more obscure / utility spells. On the other hand such a limit does perhaps make it more likely that each magic-user will end up with a "personalised" spell list.<br /><br />Hm, it's an interesting topic.<br /><br />I like your idea that failure to learn a spell means that the wizard has to find a different version of it. I presume you mean a version in another wizard's spell book, or second scroll of it? Like the original one they tried to learn from was so cryptically written that they couldn't understand it, and need another reference for further elucidation. That sounds like a nice way of doing it, and increases the idea of magic-users as arcane "treasure hunters".Gavin Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362875699031245377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-69081209061300571462011-01-04T15:11:51.292+01:002011-01-04T15:11:51.292+01:00Gavin, I don't use the "max known spells&...Gavin, I don't use the "max known spells". Most of the chars that become MU's have high INT anyway; as I recall, its only restrictive at the mid/low range. I could be wrong. I do make them roll 5%xINT to see if they understand a spell. If they fail -- they have to find another version...Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18158916950442942918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-44638873054076567372011-01-04T07:14:44.387+01:002011-01-04T07:14:44.387+01:00Thanks again! I've updated the post with links...Thanks again! I've updated the post with links to both versions.<br /><br />And that's a really cool idea to give a magic-user's player an actual mini book of spells as an item of treasure! Do you work with the "max known spells per level" rule? I was thinking recently how that rule kind of somewhat limits the thing of magic-users collecting a huge range of spells, some of which might only be used very occasionally.Gavin Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362875699031245377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-20701151642148529212011-01-04T06:57:52.495+01:002011-01-04T06:57:52.495+01:00Here it is. Couldn't sleep anyway... https:/...Here it is. Couldn't sleep anyway... https://sites.google.com/site/carjackedseraphimdl/documents/tome_of_spider_mage_alpha.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1<br /><br />:)Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18158916950442942918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-51146270346127567052011-01-04T06:36:00.295+01:002011-01-04T06:36:00.295+01:00Gavin, its too late for me to re-sort it tonight, ...Gavin, its too late for me to re-sort it tonight, but I could do that and then we'd have two versions. I'll do that tomorrow. I sorted it that way because I want to give the book as a treasure to a magic user in my game. :) Thanks for sharing such excellent work.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18158916950442942918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-3133303220423992812011-01-04T06:01:55.996+01:002011-01-04T06:01:55.996+01:00ps. I notice you went with the traditional "s...ps. I notice you went with the traditional "sorted by level then alphabetically" ordering of spells. I'm totally torn between that and the modern "only alphabetical" ordering. In a way I'm still more latently familiar with the traditional way, but I can see a lot of sense in the modern way...Gavin Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362875699031245377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-31833917218291523932011-01-04T05:59:38.353+01:002011-01-04T05:59:38.353+01:00Wow Jim that is awesome!!! Thanks so much! I'l...Wow Jim that is awesome!!! Thanks so much! I'll post a link shortly...Gavin Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362875699031245377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-24553124491461400872011-01-04T03:18:39.284+01:002011-01-04T03:18:39.284+01:00Gavin -- here's the link if you like it. http...Gavin -- here's the link if you like it. https://sites.google.com/site/carjackedseraphimdl/documents/tome_of_spider_mage.pdf?attredirects=0&d=1Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18158916950442942918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-9084666132363009662011-01-04T02:43:32.373+01:002011-01-04T02:43:32.373+01:00Gavin, I'm putting your spells together in a P...Gavin, I'm putting your spells together in a PDF; would you like to post it on your blog?Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18158916950442942918noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-32042088984863110242011-01-03T21:37:39.863+01:002011-01-03T21:37:39.863+01:00ps. I've just changed my blogger name from ...ps. I've just changed my blogger name from 'elf23' to 'Gavin' - I've had enough of being anonymous ;) It feels more community-minded somehow to use ones real name...Gavin Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362875699031245377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-54591963589310291412011-01-03T21:36:08.825+01:002011-01-03T21:36:08.825+01:00Right, fair enough, that's not such a monument...Right, fair enough, that's not such a monumental job then! :)<br /><br />I've been finding that I can get by on my D&D instincts from having burned every nuance of it into my neurons at an early age! Haha. Yeah I know what you mean though, if you can only see yourself maybe running the odd one-shot then it's much better to stick to the Rules As Written - there's not so much point in messing about with house rules.Gavin Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362875699031245377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-83197496397125052882011-01-03T11:51:08.494+01:002011-01-03T11:51:08.494+01:00Ah no, so in that sense it would be easier than wh...Ah no, so in that sense it would be easier than what you've done here. I'd pull spells from existing spell lists.<br /><br />The main obstacles are that I don't <i>D&D</i> well enough to be familiar with all the quirks of the system, and that it would be for nothing, as I'm unlikely to run an old-school game for long enough for it to be relevant.thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-75982251885751997462011-01-03T09:38:30.978+01:002011-01-03T09:38:30.978+01:00Thanks guys!
Yeah it was interesting that it was ...Thanks guys!<br /><br />Yeah it was interesting that it was perfectly possible to build a full sequence of spells based around something as humble as the rope.<br /><br />@kelvingreen: Are you thinking of a completely new spell list for the elf? (Ie not using any of the existing spells?)Gavin Normanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362875699031245377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-33257160965611408812011-01-03T01:52:27.987+01:002011-01-03T01:52:27.987+01:00Brilliant! I'm glad you finished the sequence...Brilliant! I'm glad you finished the sequence, elf23! My nefarious plans for my players keep getting more nefarious thanks to you, amigo :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-681509622212079331.post-17103001954326369232011-01-03T01:44:41.033+01:002011-01-03T01:44:41.033+01:00Great work! So often I've seen projects like t...Great work! So often I've seen projects like this abandoned half way through, so it's good to see someone finish.<br /><br />I'd like to one day put together a new spell list for the <i>Labyrinth Lord</i>/<i>Swords & Wizardry</i> elf class, drawing on nature and illusion magic rather than leaving them with the bog-standard wizard list, but it's not something into which I've put much thought as yet.thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.com